Anura’s original, Dec. 2008, papabili list
Factoring in the Paddy Power odds
Cardinals Antonio Cañizares Llovera & Keith Michael Patrick O’Brien as papabile
‘The Next Pope’ (after Pope Benedict XVI) book, Feb. 2010, by Anura Guruge
Darien N Clark,
Past Grand Knight, Knights of Columbus, Mother Marianne Cope Council 14260 at Syracuse University
The List, justification below.
Now that the 2010 Consistory has been formally announced, the following is my list of 2010 Papabili. Considering the numerous other rankings on the web, I rank each candidate based on these qualifications: theological position, closeness (or perhaps more to the point lack thereof) to the sex-abuse scandals, closeness to the pope, current position, country of origin and age. Of course I’m no expert so I’m sure some (and probably the majority) of readers will disagree with me. I will try my best to respond to comments, but considering that I am finishing my degree in December that may not be as often as I would like to.
I want to explain, up front, some choices which may raise a few eye-brows. Cardinal Ouellet at #1 might be a little high at the moment, but Pope Benedict XVI appears to be in good health and not passing on any time soon. By the time the Holy Father does indeed leave us, Cardinal Ouellet will be an even stronger candidate than now. You aren’t appointed head of the Congregation for Bishops if you do not have the respect of the Pope, thus in tern the respect of the Cardinals. I’m not sure I fully buy into my own #5 choice being that high. Cardinal Levada is there because he is the head of the Holy Office. He is on the older side at nearly 75 and an American, but as the head doctrinal official of the church he deserves a nod near the top. Cardinal Vignt-Trois is not on any list that I’ve seen. Cardinal Barbarin seems to be the leading Frenchman, but Vignt-Trois status as the Archbishop of Paris is what, I feel, gives him the nod over Barbarin. Cardinal Arinze most likely does not have a shot, but he is one of those older Cardinals who would get a few first-ballot votes in recognition of his many years of service to the Holy See.
Two individuals left out. Cardinal Schonborn has been appearing on numerous lists, but is not on mine. As much as I love the Dominicans, he has that major documented case of rampant liturgical abuses at that youth mass. I’m not sure that endeared him to his brothers in the college. The soon to be Cardinal Burke is certainly a theological conservative and that helps his case. But he needs to stop running his mouth before he can ever be a serious candidate. Being an American certainly doesn’t help his any either, but he needs to find more constructive ways of defending the faith than calling for Cardinal-Desitnate Weurl to be deposed for not denying Catholic pro-choice politicians Eucharist.
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The see of Lyon is not much smaller than that of Paris in population,and has been a metropolitan literally since the Roman Empire,compared to Paris being elevated under Louis XIII.Why would that suffice to give the edge to Vingt-Trois?…I think that Barbarin is “dangerously” young would be a better reason.But what of Cardinal Ricard,the choice to succeed Cardinal Bille (of Lyon) as head of the Bishops’ conference when Bille was terminally ill?
Speaking of being terminally ill,I think that’s the one thing that might embolden the College to pick an American,enabling them to boast that they defied the conventional wisdom while being confident he would not last long enough to disturb things.
An African or Latin American I think would only have a chance if older,the change would be dramatic enough without bargaining for the resulting papacy to be a long one.
I was thinking along similar lines last night as I posted this, given that Barbarin was on my list. BUT, you said it much better with more facts than I would have had.
No African. Pipe dream. Period.
Thanks. I really am getting to you post now.
Cheers.
Concerning this list there are only a few things I really should agree with – one of these is the commentary that Benedict XVI is in good health and therefore a conclave will not come soon. Another good point is that Ennio Antonelli is mentioned as papabile, besides Scola and Ravasi he certainly could be the third important Italian candidate. As to the pivotal criteria for being put on this list I have been quite amazed by reading that “closeness to the pope” is one of the decisive arguments. Otherwise said – there is an option to elect a cardinal who only will be executor of his predecessor´s will and who in a certain sense will be only a sort of puppet then ?
The commentary to this list lacks some necessary and reasonable explications: Yes, instead of Barbarin there is now Vingt-Trois – but WHY has there to be a French candidate at all ? The same for Levada – the fact that he as Ratzinger´s successor occupies that position qualifies him quasi automatically as papabile ? I only think of another of his predecessors – Alfredo Ottaviani (1890-1979) who in his time was a central figure in the College of Cardinals but even he never was considered as papabile with really good prospects.
Anura- Please remove where the list says that Vingt-Trois was ever on my list, let alone #6. I would not have done that because I definitely do not see a Frenchman becoming Pope. France, especially Paris, has a lot of cleaning up to do in regards to secularism, (I’m not saying others don’t). Plus, as far as I know, this Cardinal really has no prestige. Also, I don’t see Levada becoming Pope. 1 he is American and 2 he just really hasn’t done much. I MAY have an American on my updated list, but it wouldn’t be Levada. He had some issues with the Sex-abuse crisis, especially while he was in Portland.
Pax!
oh and Arinze was my #7, not 5
Sorry, I will fix both. I thought I checked. It was close to midnight.
FIXED, I think.
How many papabili have a readily available bibliography like http://www.caffarra.it/index.php available?
(That site’s been up since before he was made a Cardinal).
Father Nay, who runs ‘What the Cardinals Believe’ does an OUTSTANDING job. He is a HERO.
Yes, Father John, I fully understand. Yes, he too does not deliver what you hoped for. I will convey that to Father Nay. Maybe he will try to work 27 hours a day to meet your expectations.
He is a very good MAN. Deserves to be a Saint some day.
Cheers.
But, can he be vice-camerlengo when a cardinal … though I texted the Vatican volunteering you (I will pay for the first-class air ticket, ***** hotel, meals and night-clubs) to guard the door if the vice-camerlengo is also inside, with the camerlengo.
How can he guard the door from a nightclub,or is he expected to run one right outside the conclave door while the camerlengo and vice-camerlengo are locked away?(Expect a non-cardinal vice-camerlengo to be named soon!)
Is cardinalrating.com known to you or of interest?
Well, he will have to go a few days early to get acclimatized. Isn’t that what the cardinals are supposed to do. All the important Italian ones have back-rooms in all the hot spots.
Plus, don’t forget. Contemporary conclaves close for the day around 7pm. They are off to the Domus.
Father John will thus have plenty of time to repair to a night club of his choice for the evening’s entertainment.
Louis, ‘cardinalrating.com’ — ‘What the cardinals believe’ — is the FABULOUS resource run by Father (should be a Saint) Nay.
I thank him by NAME in my book. I used his site quite a bit in 2008 and 2009 when I was compiling my papabili. Found some issues. Would e-mail him. He would fix them promptly. Given the scope of what he does, sometimes the language ‘icons’ were mixed up. So an article that WAS available in English would show up … as in Spanish … and a Latvian article would say it was in English. I flagged as many of these as I can find.
Here is Father Nay. He is in Moldovia right now. Now, I think Moldovia definitely has less than 203 adult males … and that is counting Father Nay as TWO. http://gloria.tv/?about
If you have NOT dealt with him … reach out. If you mention my name, it might help. BE NICE. He is very good man. Very helpful. I like that.
Cheers.
P.S., Do you want to carry Father John’s bags to the conclave and make sure he gets back … in front of the Sistine … by 8 am?
There is a general rule that only the top person in any department of the Curia is a Cardinal.Getting a top job qualifies you to become a Cardinal,but getting to be a Cardinal disqualifies you from any job other than the top one.
I think the KEY WORD here is ‘general’. I also kind of knew that rule, BUT I also THINK … I REMEMBER seeing some exceptions. Have you gone back and looked?
Cardinal Kasper became a Cardinal a few days before moving up from Secretary to President of the PC for Christian Unity,but I think the moves were planned as one.There have also been a few aged Prefects assisted by Cardinals as Pro-Prefects in years past.
You list only the more liberal, or more moderate or “pastoral” people, perhaps showing your own idelogical preferences.
But like many liberal Catholic blogs or newspapers, failed to give credit to the growing list of traditiionalists, orthodox, or “conservatives” who likewise are strongly papabile:
Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith: 62 (Sri Lanka)
Cardinal Mauro Piacenza : 65 (Italy)
Cardinal Raymond Burke, 62 (USA)
Cardinal Lloveda: 65 (Spain)
Cardinal Franc Rode, C.M. 76 (Solvenia)
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I think if the Pope will live to many more years, Cardinal Kurt Koch will have a great chance!
God Bless!
Pax
Yes, if the pope lives another 10 to 15 years Cardinal Koch will be about the right age. Pax. Thanks.