May 232010

Please read my reply, May 23, 2010 to ‘Andrea’ on the role of the Holy Spirit in the election of popes.

I am still working on this thesis. It is high on my list of priorities. I am NOT a theologian. I
have no training in theology. But, I as somebody who started computer programming in 1969, I do have a fairly good grasp of logic.

I nearly all cases you can keep the Trinity away from the sins of man by citing Free Will.

But, we have one interesting EXCEPTION. Conclaves. If the Holy Spirit actively participates in the selection of a new pope, then we have a specific incident when the Holy Spirit has EXPLICITLY played ‘his hand’ — so to speak.

Then, we look at the current pope, Benedict XVI (#266), and the controversy, related to clerical abuse cover-up, he is currently embroiled in.

Here comes the rub.

IF the Holy Spirit plays a role in the election of popes, then the Holy Spirit ‘OKed’ the election of Benedict XVI.

What Benedict XVI’s has been accused of happened BEFORE he was elected pope.

So, IF the Holy Spirit had a hand in the election of Benedict XVI … the Holy Spirit must have been aware of what Cardinal Ratzinger had been up to?

Draw your own conclusions from here.

If you have problems with that, PLEASE let me know. I will gladly take YOU down the various paths. One EASY one is to say ‘Of, the Holy Spirit was not aware.’ That is valid. But, others could cringe that that impacts omnipotence. See the problem?

Please COMMENT. Please help me put this right.

Anura Guruge

  10 Responses to “Role Of The Holy Spirit In The Election Of Pope Benedict XVI”

  1. Pope Benedict XVI has nothing to hide. He has done more than any other person in Rome to clean up this mess and sort it out. Yes, the secular, Catholic-hating media has done its best to make him look as bad as possible, but they have uncovered nothing which implicates this Pope, nevermind the Holy Spirit!

    I don’t like the NCR – it’s a liberal, dissenting rag of a paper, but Mr Allen is their solitary boast. Here is one of his pieces on Benedict XVI:

    Well worth a read.

  2. You read my link Anura, and I’ll read yours! Have we got a deal?

  3. Always. . Exchange of ideas. That is what civilization is all about. Thank you.

  4. Hi Dermy,
    An article today, from AP, that YOU might want to read. Enjoy.

  5. Considering the issue of defrocking paedophile priests, the problem is not a simple as one may want. Simply reducing a priest to a lay status is not enough. Civil authorities must cooperate in the process. If a priest becomes a lay person, he can move somewhere, marry, have children. Such cases exists in the USA. Dismissing someone from the clerical state and not informing civil authorities is a kind of washing hands as Pilate did (we did everything we could, we don’t care any more, someone else should care instead). And the problem with civil authorities, as well as all other authorities is their bureaucratic structure.
    I think the letter of the Archbishop of Canberra is woth reading:

  6. Ad 1:
    The problem of the pope and all bishops is the fact that they not only have to be exemplary followers of the Gospel, but also pastors, which means being a judge and a bureaucrat. A parish priest like Jean Marie Vianney can be an exemplary priest. But when someone becomes a bishop it is not that easy. Anura’s reader from Italy said that Angelo Scola is not a person shining like a saint. However, since Anura likes the history of papal elections, I will recall the example of St. Celestine V. That man was a hermit, and already considered a saint during his lifetime. But such a person could not lead the universal church.
    Ad 2:
    If the Holy Spirit made the election of Boniface VIII or Alexander VI possible, why not the election of Benedict XVI? I liked reading his Introduction to Christianity as well as Jesus of Nazareth. Reading the latter book, the currect Pope can easily be understood as a simple believer, simple priest from a small provincial village in Bavaria (which his ancestors were, and which gave him a strong faith). I think he is not a perfect bishop, he is not a good bureaucrat, he is not someone who easily finds trustful cooperators (something a bishops needs). But he is a true believer, and a good Christian. And I think he feels the burden of the past, and he will try to do everything to correct any of his possible omissions from that past. This may be better than someone else who could again say that he himself was affective in his diocese and was shocked by poor administrating of problems by Vatican.
    Considering Boniface VIII and Alexander VI, what about the election of Pius XII? He is a controversial person. And remeber that we, the Church also suffer for our sins. The Holy Spirit may not always allow the Church to take the easiest path. Sometimes the Spirit would lead us the more difficult way even by allowing a “not so good” Cardinal to be elected pope while some other Cardinals would be better choices (considering their possibility to govern in a better way and lead the Church along a more easy path)!
    May peace be with you all!

  7. Great comment. Also thank YOU for the NEW email. I like it.
    You, as ever, raise some good points.
    I will read your link. Just got back from a great family day in Boston.

  8. Some MORE excellent POINTS. THANK YOU. Please let me reflect. As I said in an earlier reply, I just got back.
    I like how you really think about these issues and link them together.
    St. Celestine V was quite a person. I really admire him. We could do with more like him.
    Thank you.

  9. Marko,
    Please read this story about a 15 year old girl and how she was treated by the local Baptist Church. This is BIG news in our little state at the moment. Very scary:
    Thank you.
    P.S. I am still working through your comments. They are very thought provoking.

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